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Jul 28 2008

Hillary Clinton does not deserve your support now, nor did she before.

Published by aluglio at 2:05 pm under Presidential Race Edit This

So now there’s a group called PUMA (party unity my ass) that refuses to vote for Obama. That’s their choice, but using Hillary Clinton as a reason for doing this is absurd, insane and shows a monumental distance from reality.

These people that claim to be part of PUMA say that they refuse to unite either because the primaries were rigged or because they just hate Obama. They cite the disputed Florida and Michigan primaries and the readiness to declare Obama the nominee as evidence.

As for Michigan -

And as for Florida and Michigan (and RIP Tim Russert)

When it was looking like she would, without a doubt, be the democratic nominee, Clinton had no problem with Florida and Michigan. And when things started to shift towards Obama, she started to say how the DNC plotted against her and how our whole electoral system is ridiculous.

And as for the DNC favoring the “weaker candidate” Obama - you’re insane if you truly believe that the DNC would choose a weaker candidate. They care about winning the election in November, and they know more about the candidates than any of us ever will. They devote their lives to politics, and yes, that involves corruption, but they would not choose a weaker candidate and risk losing the election. The fact is, they know things that we do not.

Hillary Clinton tried to employ dirty politics, though she just is not good at it. She lies nonstop and has no definite agenda because her agenda changes with whatever polls say will be popular for her. The really funny thing about this is when she gets called out about her changes in opinion (I.E. her Iraq vote, her opinion on the FL and MI primaries), she sticks by her old opinion while still trying to maintain her new one (see http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/13/574097.aspx)

And she has the audacity to say that she is one with her supporters, and that they are all in the struggle together. It makes me feel bad for the PUMA members because they must be so desperate for change that they will believe anything that they hear, without incorporating any sort of logic. I’ve had many discussions with people that still support Clinton and, much like how Clinton handles any challenges, they refuse to acknowledge any of her contradictory statements. It is not possible to get them to justify her change of position on MI and FL, yet they still complain about how people were “disenfranchised”. They need the hope that Clinton provided them, though unfortunately, there would be no way that she could have followed through.

So many horrible things have also been exposed about the Clintons throughout this whole process. I do not believe that Bill was an incredible president, though he was undoubtedly one of the most brilliant politicians that we have had - Hillary however is not too intelligent. Bill tried to support her, though when somebody like Hillary has no capacity to justify her own actions, there is nothing that can be done. It wore on Bill, and resulted in some very uncharacteristic statements.

And Chelsea………….how could anybody believe somebody that refuses to answer any questions? It is obvious that she is just told what to say, and does not know enough about the issues/ can not justify what her mom says. And any of the speculation about her getting involved with politics just scares the hell out of me.

PUMA also strongly believes that the media was/is against Clinton. This is another belief that Clinton instilled. In the beginning, the media treated her as if she was entitled to the nomination, though when people actually began to vote and it became obvious that Obama had a strong chance, the media started to get behind Obama more. Clinton quickly stated that the media was sexist and was holding her back, and that they were always talking about Obama. As a result, whenever people heard the name Obama (regardless of the context), an alarm went off, though if they had listened to how many times they heard Clinton’s name mentioned, they would have found it to be equal. It was a smart strategy that was successful to a small extent, though unfortunately, it has had negative repercussions for the democratic party.

Hillary Clinton is a dirty politician that manipulated people’s minds to gain support. She focused on attacks, rather than substance, and avoided anything involving the actual issues. There were only a few topics that she readily talked about, and these were the topics that undeniably sound good i.e. universal health care. The rest of the time, she diverted her attention to attacks on Obama and fabrications about unseen forces preventing her from getting nominated.

As for the Puma members - they have shown themselves to be hypocrites and not knowledgeable on politics. Many say that they will be voting for McCain, and if that is true, then they are the most petty and shallow people in the country. They must not have any real values, because McCain and Hillary have very different ideologies that are not at all compatible. They let these fabricated grudges dictate their actions, and it puts so many questions into play about what Clinton’s intentions were. She may have known that she would be dividing the party like this, just for the sake of her own potential personal gains. Even more depressing is the probability of her taking advantage of the PUMA members so that she can help to pay off her $25 million debt.

I normally would not speak out so strongly about any group of people, though the effect that Clinton had says too many depressing things about the condition of our country and society to be able to reconcile it.

All there is to it is that Clinton was a weak candidate, and she lost. Obama has a definite agenda, and he gained the support of the democratic party. If that means losing the support from the kind of people that are in PUMA then so be it - they obviously do not subscribe to any of the values of liberalism anyway. Liberalism is about questioning what you hear, and initiating a conversation to see all views and to determine what could be best for more people. On the other hand, conservatism relies more on following a specific set of values. From that standpoint, it seems that the PUMA members are all closet conservatives anyway.

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7 Responses to “Hillary Clinton does not deserve your support now, nor did she before.”

  1. bill_fingeron 28 Jul 2008 at 3:55 pm edit this

    I completely agree with you. Some of Hillary’s tactics were unforgivable and she had the media in her pocket since last summer. I remember reading a headline on CNN that said, “Is Hillary Unstoppable?”

  2. A Bambachon 28 Jul 2008 at 4:27 pm edit this

    Your post is full of grammar errors. Didn’t you take English Composition 101 yet?

    Your post is, however, unjustified. You need evidence to support claims in a valid, cogent argument.

    Oh, and maybe you should add “pathic” to your title as in “sociopathic”. Most unjustified anger does fall into that catagory. Guess you didn’t take Psych 101 yet either. ;)

  3. chezmadameon 28 Jul 2008 at 5:01 pm edit this

    An anonymous writer on a great blog (as opposed to this one) was looking for responses to this tripe. Here’s how I responded:

    “I think that “anonymous” is the writer of the blog and is deperately seeking hits.

    The blog post is full of grammar errors and lacks that which is necessary in any good argument: evidence in support of claims.

    The writer subtitled his drivel “an unjustifiably angry post”.

    Given that the writer admits that his anger is unjustified, perhaps a better title for this vanity blog would be “socio(pathic)-politics. I guess he didn’t take Psych 101 yet.

    I’ll also hazard a guess that he didn’t do very well in Freshman Composition, last year either.”

    Look Mommy, I’m a blogger!

  4. aluglioon 28 Jul 2008 at 5:03 pm edit this

    I went through and found two errors, which I’m sorry for. Yes, I have taken plenty of english classes in my life, though I guess I didn’t learn anything since I still made a couple of mistakes.

    And I provided all of the evidence that I could, though there is only so much that youtube can do for me.

    Must be a Clinton supporter, they just go on the attack without actually responding to the relevant arguement.

  5. aluglioon 28 Jul 2008 at 5:19 pm edit this

    The other blog site that has been reference is http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/. Really, people should go to it, it’s hilarious. It’s just some guy posting the same devoid-of-fact arguement on a daily basis, yet people treat him like a god. Yeah, people from that blog are criticizing me for my “lack of support,” but at least I don’t fabricate support.

    And you both won, i got rid of the “unjustifiably” part and anything that related to it because you obviously could not read the whole post to see what I meant by it.

  6. leslieon 29 Jul 2008 at 9:50 pm edit this

    ” Yeah, people from that blog are criticizing me for my “lack of support,” but at least I don’t fabricate support. ”

    You do indeed fabricate - or perhaps the word prevaricate is more like it.
    Hillary - of all the Democratic candidates - presented facts, programs, details and immense knowledge in all the debates. I don’t know what you were watching, or what speeches or interviews you saw - but it was Hillary, her intelligence, her thoughtfulness, her ability to answer the tough questions (with the exception of the one about the NY drivers’ licenses) who won my vote. She WON MY VOTE despite my preconceived thoughts about her. And Obama never had an original thought in those debates. Not once.

    So your saying, “Hillary Clinton is a dirty politician that manipulated people’s minds to gain support. She focused on attacks, rather than substance, and avoided anything involving the actual issues.” tells me you either are not turthful or you do not know what you are talking about.

  7. aluglioon 29 Jul 2008 at 10:52 pm edit this

    Once again, total avoidance of any of the points that I bring up.

    What about her convenient change in opinion concerning Florida and Michigan? (I don’t know why I’m still trying to get an answer about that because I’ve asked it to Clinton supporters dozens of times and have yet to get a response that even closely relates to the issue)

    And you say that she presented facts and programs and all that, but how about some specifics? Sure, I do not provide a complete outline of why I feel the way that I do, but I at least provided an example or two for each point…..though I guess stating how I feel and having Clinton supporters respond in a manner that completely ignores the specifics of what I wrote while ranting about their own opinion is a little fun……

    I really need some recognition from a non-pro-Clinton site so that I can at least get appropriate response….hell, I’d even go for the Sean Hannity fan club at this point.

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